Stolen watch alert! Halios Universa #32

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Stolen watch alert! Halios Universa #32

Post by toxicavenger » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:30 pm

Hey guys keep an eye for this watch. The guy who stole it from the seller has reposted it on the forums under a few different user names. The seller used Paypal F&F and the buyer used credit card charge back after he accept delivery of the watch to get his money back.

Here is some info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchexchange/ ... kit_strap/
https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchExchangeF ... entoof_he/

User names used so far:
elmovientoof,
miwatchtown

The second user name Imgur pics that were posted are attached.

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Post by ChuckW » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:27 pm

I've heard of charge backs done with PP f&f. The seller probably figured that kind of transaction was worry free, but now he won't be able to get PayPal to intercede on a deal that violates their terms of service.
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Post by sierra11b » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:44 pm

We're going to have to go back to risking mailing greenbacks if <$1000.

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Post by tyd450 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:16 pm

yeah to be honest paypal f&f is probably more risky for a seller than goods and services

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Post by hoppyjr » Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:02 pm

No PayPal unless it’s one of you dickheads.

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Post by Ryeguy » Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:58 am

Who is the “watcheswithwear” guy who is arguing with you, Terry? Crazy.

As alluded to by Hop above, the real issue is how open the watch forums have become. It used to be somewhat challenging because you needed to create a profile and build at least a minimal reputation before being allowed to buy or sell.

It seems much easier today to build a scam / throwaway profile for this purpose. At least on here we all kind of know each other and have earned our reputation.

I’m guessing a Helios “Univesa” is a sub $1k watch, maybe closer to $500. The fact this guy is willing to go through this much hassle for this little money indicates just how easy it is.

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Post by Ryeguy » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:03 am

Just as an aside, assuming I read understood the Reddit profile correctly, the seller had something like 750 posts and the buyer profile “elmovientoof” had zero posts.

I don’t care what forum we are talking about, but selling to a low post count user is a HUGE risk as they have no reputation to lose.
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Post by ericf4 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:36 am

Ryeguy wrote:Just as an aside, assuming I read understood the Reddit profile correctly, the seller had so like 750 posts and the buyer profile “elmovientoof” had zero posts.

I don’t care what forum we are talking about, but selling to a low post count user is a HUGE risk as they have no reputation to lose.
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Post by tattoo chef » Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:30 am

Ryeguy wrote:Just as an aside, assuming I read understood the Reddit profile correctly, the seller had something like 750 posts and the buyer profile “elmovientoof” had zero posts.

I don’t care what forum we are talking about, but selling to a low post count user is a HUGE risk as they have no reputation to lose.
Agree. I don’t sell to those with no or very low post counts.
It’s crazy how the buyer can now screw the the seller. You have to be very careful these days.


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Re: Stolen watch alert! Halios Universa #32

Post by ezcheese » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:19 am

Sheesh. I haven't used paypal in a decade and I am just now in the process of updating my account and going through the new rigamaroll security protocol... all just because fucking Seiya only accepts paypal :banghead:
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Post by Abmw » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:22 am

I was always under the impression that Paypal F&F was safe. So what exactly is a safe method nowadays aside from cash for Sellers? Worrying about scams has been one of the main reasons I havent sold any watches in the last few years.
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Post by justsellbrgs » Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:26 am

Abmw wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:22 am
I was always under the impression that Paypal F&F was safe. So what exactly is a safe method nowadays aside from cash for Sellers? Worrying about scams has been one of the main reasons I havent sold any watches in the last few years.
the discussion to be had is paypal F&F vs G&S...... I see this as sellers prefer F&F to avoid fees. The issue arises when a buyer does a credit card charge back as was done in this instance.
If I don't know a seller I pass on F&F for this reason. oF course there is risk with G&S as well, but the transaction is somewhat protected.

I have the luxury of having 2 high volume toy/collectible sellers in my office (5-6 figures per year)...they always do G&S... as they say, not worth the few $$ (and price items accordingly to offset the fees)
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Post by ezcheese » Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:52 am

what do F&F and G&S mean?
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Post by r.palace » Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:52 am

ezcheese wrote:what do F&F and G&S mean?
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Post by ezcheese » Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:56 am

r.palace wrote:
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ezcheese wrote:what do F&F and G&S mean?
Friends and family and goods and services
Thanks!
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Post by toxicavenger » Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:57 pm

tattoo chef wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:30 am
Ryeguy wrote:Just as an aside, assuming I read understood the Reddit profile correctly, the seller had something like 750 posts and the buyer profile “elmovientoof” had zero posts.

I don’t care what forum we are talking about, but selling to a low post count user is a HUGE risk as they have no reputation to lose.
Agree. I don’t sell to those with no or very low post counts.
It’s crazy how the buyer can now screw the the seller. You have to be very careful these days.


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the buyer before being banned had over 2 years of history. he also had feedback in the hifi arena if i recall.

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Post by toxicavenger » Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:59 pm

justsellbrgs wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:26 am
Abmw wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:22 am
I was always under the impression that Paypal F&F was safe. So what exactly is a safe method nowadays aside from cash for Sellers? Worrying about scams has been one of the main reasons I havent sold any watches in the last few years.
the discussion to be had is paypal F&F vs G&S...... I see this as sellers prefer F&F to avoid fees. The issue arises when a buyer does a credit card charge back as was done in this instance.
If I don't know a seller I pass on F&F for this reason. oF course there is risk with G&S as well, but the transaction is somewhat protected.

I have the luxury of having 2 high volume toy/collectible sellers in my office (5-6 figures per year)...they always do G&S... as they say, not worth the few $$ (and price items accordingly to offset the fees)
honestly there has been more scams using g&s than f&f. that is why so many people including myself used f&f for years. it was not to save money, it was to try and cover our ass. :crybaby:

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Post by toxicavenger » Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:00 pm

Ryeguy wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:58 am
Who is the “watcheswithwear” guy who is arguing with you, Terry? Crazy.
just some stubborn rando like myself posting on the net. :mrgreen:

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Post by Ryeguy » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:24 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:57 pm
tattoo chef wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:30 am
Ryeguy wrote:Just as an aside, assuming I read understood the Reddit profile correctly, the seller had something like 750 posts and the buyer profile “elmovientoof” had zero posts.

I don’t care what forum we are talking about, but selling to a low post count user is a HUGE risk as they have no reputation to lose.
Agree. I don’t sell to those with no or very low post counts.
It’s crazy how the buyer can now screw the the seller. You have to be very careful these days.


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the buyer before being banned had over 2 years of history. he also had feedback in the hifi arena if i recall.
So he was banned, then rejoined under a different username?

Actually, that is an interesting wrinkle. How hard would it be for a random scammer to create a new account and claim to be some well-established but now banned user?

Heck, half the folks here could have that happen to them on WUS.

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Post by jswing » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:17 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:59 pm
justsellbrgs wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:26 am
Abmw wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:22 am
I was always under the impression that Paypal F&F was safe. So what exactly is a safe method nowadays aside from cash for Sellers? Worrying about scams has been one of the main reasons I havent sold any watches in the last few years.
the discussion to be had is paypal F&F vs G&S...... I see this as sellers prefer F&F to avoid fees. The issue arises when a buyer does a credit card charge back as was done in this instance.
If I don't know a seller I pass on F&F for this reason. oF course there is risk with G&S as well, but the transaction is somewhat protected.

I have the luxury of having 2 high volume toy/collectible sellers in my office (5-6 figures per year)...they always do G&S... as they say, not worth the few $$ (and price items accordingly to offset the fees)
honestly there has been more scams using g&s than f&f. that is why so many people including myself used f&f for years. it was not to save money, it was to try and cover our ass. :crybaby:
I use F&F not so much to avoid fees, but to avoid having to report my watch activity on my taxes now that they're issuing 1099s on anything over $600, which is basically one watch sale. I didn't have any idea about the cc chargeback thing. Is venmo any better in that regard?

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Post by rockmastermike » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:31 am

jswing wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:17 am


I use F&F not so much to avoid fees, but to avoid having to report my watch activity on my taxes now that they're issuing 1099s on anything over $600, which is basically one watch sale. I didn't have any idea about the cc chargeback thing. Is venmo any better in that regard?
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Until the feds got involved I was fine with fees…they saved my butt once and made me whole early on.

But this $600 thing grinds my gears

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Post by jswing » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:42 am

rockmastermike wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:31 am
jswing wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:17 am


I use F&F not so much to avoid fees, but to avoid having to report my watch activity on my taxes now that they're issuing 1099s on anything over $600, which is basically one watch sale. I didn't have any idea about the cc chargeback thing. Is venmo any better in that regard?
This

Until the feds got involved I was fine with fees…they saved my butt once and made me whole early on.

But this $600 thing grinds my gears
I get that there may be people with actual businesses that are avoiding paying taxes, but $600? Really? Realistically, if I did report all my watch purchases/sales, I'd definitely end up with a loss at the end of the year. Will I get a refund based on a loss in a hobby? I doubt it.

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Post by toxicavenger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:18 am

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So he was banned, then rejoined under a different username?

Actually, that is an interesting wrinkle. How hard would it be for a random scammer to create a new account and claim to be some well-established but now banned user?

Heck, half the folks here could have that happen to them on WUS.
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He was banned for stealing the watch. Then two weeks later he posted under a new account trying to sell it.

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Post by Ryeguy » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:38 am

toxicavenger wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:18 am
So he was banned, then rejoined under a different username?

Actually, that is an interesting wrinkle. How hard would it be for a random scammer to create a new account and claim to be some well-established but now banned user?

Heck, half the folks here could have that happen to them on WUS.
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He was banned for stealing the watch. Then two weeks later he posted under a new account trying to sell it.
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Oh, OK.

When I mentioned his post count, it was in reference to the original user name. I may have misinterpreted the Reddit profile data, but I thought it said that user name had no posts. Maybe Reddit deletes profile history once the user gets banned? :shrug:

Either way, it is more than a little ballsy to return to the "scene of the crime" using a new user name.

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