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Re: Because DWC members know their shit: Motorcycle questions - what to get for my first real bike

Post by Marjak » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:35 pm

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Ryeguy wrote:I’ve found that 80/20 ratio of front brake to rear to be optimal. It just makes sense as, the harder you brake, your inertia puts more pressure on the front tire so it grabs more effective. The rear tire unweights under severe braking causing a skid.

This is why most “sport” bikes have larger, dual, discs in front and a single smaller disc in the rear. Heck, I’ve heard of dedicated track bikes with rear brakes intentionally set up to be mushy so you could stomp on them and they wouldn’t lock up.

That said, all my bike experiences have been with “sport” oriented bikes. Full dresser style touring bikes might have enough weight over the rear tire to make that brake effective.

I also agree you need to practice proper techniques as what you practice is what you’ll do in an emergency. The better you anticipate the stupidity of other drivers, the less likely a panic stop will be necessary.

Joe’s bike has a long swing arm, so that rear tire is way back. He’ll have to really clutch and hoist to get that front tire in the air (a skill you should learn, Joe, in case you ever find yourself with an under inflated front tire :lol: ). I can easy see that rear tire locking up (assuming no ABS) if Joe over emphasizes the rear brake. Find a parking lot and practice is probably the best of all advice.
I think front brake only is a horrible habit to learn. Become efficient at using both and you’ll learn how to stop fast and controlled. I use probably about 70/30 - 60/40 depending. I also always have the front brake covered with 2 fingers. Becoming proficient in rear braking will do amazing things for your riding. Trail braking comes in very handy. Also, find a parking lot and go lock up the rear. The more comfortable you are with that feeling the easier it becomes to control.
I see you quoted me but I don’t think there is an argument here. I said 80/20, you said 70/30. Bottom line is the majority of your braking effectiveness comes from the front calipers.
Ya no argument. Guess it was more directed towards marjak and Carlos
The 401's design is based on the Duke 390 and is a short wheel-based bike with the front wheel almost directly under the steer. When emergency breaking, the rear brake will become almost useless as the weight shifts to the front of the bike very quickly. Yes, for the 0.5 seconds when starting breaking it is useful as it helps shift the weight faster to the front. But for the not so experienced riders in an emergency they tend to step hard on the rear brake which is obviously dangerous as you will loose control. In my advice to Joe, I should have been more specific about breaking in an emergency only. I am aware that this technique won't apply for long wheel-based bikes like cruisers where you probably want to apply the rear brake during the whole breaking maneuver. With normal breaking situations, non-emergency, I agree the rear brake should be applied in a maybe front-rear 80-20 ratio. As I myself almost never exceed speeds over 45mph (2-wheeled vehicles are not allowed on highways in Indonesia) for me the use of the front brake only works well in emergencies, which I unfortunately need to do at least a few times a day with all those little scooters crowding the roads. Regardless, my advice to Joe was not my best advice ever given to somebody....
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Post by mikeylacroix » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:41 am

What years urs mart?
Alex n I thinking of the 2020 version when it pops up on the secondary market

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What years urs mart?
Alex n I thinking of the 2020 version when it pops up on the secondary market

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2018. I have read the 2020 has a bit less power.... check it out Mike :cheers:
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Post by Joeprez » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:40 am

From what I've seen the 80/20 rule is mentioned a lot. I've been using the rear to slow down before corners (remember, I'm not carrying a lot of speed before entering anyways), and both for brakes for "real" braking (emergency stop of full stop at a light). Interesting that it's similar to how I brake in the mountain bike (during hard braking on the mtb, I position myself behind the saddle to avoid going over the bike... is this something that is also done in a motorcycle?)
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Post by jeckyll » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:50 am

mikeylacroix wrote:
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jeckyll wrote:<<snip>>

Joe, a great thing to check out is "Ienatsch Tuesday" on Cycle World
https://www.cycleworld.com/blogs/ienatsch-tuesday/

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I know some folks that went and found it really valuable. :cheers:
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How would they compare css vs ycrs?

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Post by jeckyll » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:57 am

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From what I've seen the 80/20 rule is mentioned a lot. I've been using the rear to slow down before corners (remember, I'm not carrying a lot of speed before entering anyways), and both for brakes for "real" braking (emergency stop of full stop at a light). Interesting that it's similar to how I brake in the mountain bike (during hard braking on the mtb, I position myself behind the saddle to avoid going over the bike... is this something that is also done in a motorcycle?)
Joe: It might be good for you to check out some of the links on braking in Nick Ienatsch's column. Braking is _the_ biggest thing to get right early in order to progress and he's got a number of things to practice.

Application and effectiveness will vary greatly from bike to bike (I have some where using the rear is essential to safe riding, and some where it's truly optional and I often just use the rear while at a stop to keep the bike from rolling). And I've had some bikes where the use of the rear brake at the very beginning of hard braking helped settle the suspension, though that's honestly more of an advanced technique for bikes set up a bit soft.

Bike looks sharp!

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Joeprez wrote:From what I've seen the 80/20 rule is mentioned a lot. I've been using the rear to slow down before corners (remember, I'm not carrying a lot of speed before entering anyways), and both for brakes for "real" braking (emergency stop of full stop at a light). Interesting that it's similar to how I brake in the mountain bike (during hard braking on the mtb, I position myself behind the saddle to avoid going over the bike... is this something that is also done in a motorcycle?)
Only if u jab it (for whatever reason.. don't basically) or ur hard braking into a turn while carrying high speeds
Otherwise u don't wanna take away that traction from ur front as it navigates the corner and lines up ur exit

Ur bike is honestly short enough to not need the rear too much going into most corners

Play Around with the rear in a carpark doing figure 8 drills & other slow speed drills that wld give u the most familiarity with it.
Motojitsu has some good drills on utube

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Post by Joeprez » Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:51 pm

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Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

Only one real ride so far as it has been raining a lot here.

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Post by jeckyll » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:31 pm

Joeprez wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:51 pm
Anyone still riding? Image

Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

Only one real ride so far as it has been raining a lot here.

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Dude, those 701's are awesome. I want one.

Picked up a WR250R last year, perfect for getting into some more squirrley stuff and not having to worry about dropping it or having looping it.

Started early this year and there were some slightly slippery times the first few rides...
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Post by Ryeguy » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:17 am

With gas prices shooting up, I’m thinking of picking up another one (or at least using gas prices as my justification to my wife!).

I’d either buy one of those Triumph Scramblers or an enduro. The Triumph would win in style points, but a good enduro would be less expensive and ultimately more practical.

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Post by Erratic101 » Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:58 am

Joeprez wrote:Anyone still riding? Image

Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

Only one real ride so far as it has been raining a lot here.

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Those are really popular here in Colorado. I know a bunch of people that take those in the backcountry. I haven’t ridden one yet, but from everything I hear they’re amazing all around. Enjoy man, and let me know what you think.

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Post by Joeprez » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:15 pm

jeckyll wrote:
Joeprez wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:51 pm
Anyone still riding? Image

Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

Only one real ride so far as it has been raining a lot here.

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Dude, those 701's are awesome. I want one.

Picked up a WR250R last year, perfect for getting into some more squirrley stuff and not having to worry about dropping it or having looping it.

Started early this year and there were some slightly slippery times the first few rides...
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First trail ride of the year
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Lovely! Those are very popular here. My kid already ask me for dirt bikes, so for me if been thinking about a 250 or even something smaller. I’m not skill enough yet to take the 701 into hardcore off road trails.


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Post by Joeprez » Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:28 pm

Ryeguy wrote:With gas prices shooting up, I’m thinking of picking up another one (or at least using gas prices as my justification to my wife!).

I’d either buy one of those Triumph Scramblers or an enduro. The Triumph would win in style points, but a good enduro would be less expensive and ultimately more practical.
Triumph Street Scrambler its a great looking bike. Really would like one in the future, or a Street Twin. The Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled appears to be more capable off road with a similar styling. I ultimately went with the Husky 701 (similar to a KTM 690) because I wanted a lighter bike.


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Post by Joeprez » Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:33 pm

Erratic101 wrote:
Joeprez wrote:Anyone still riding? Image

Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

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Those are really popular here in Colorado. I know a bunch of people that take those in the backcountry. I haven’t ridden one yet, but from everything I hear they’re amazing all around. Enjoy man, and let me know what you think.
Thanks Bjorn! I am super happy with it. I was concern that being dual sport bike and having off road capable tires, I would find it less fun on the mountain roads than the Svartpilen, but I was wrong. As fun as the Svart, I dont have to slow down as much when the road is not perfect and the extra power is great.

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Joeprez wrote:Anyone still riding? Image

Got this one a month ago, Husqvarna 701 Enduro. With the usually poor condition of the roads here, the bigger wheels and longer suspension really helps. With a wet weight of 342 lbs, its very easy to maneuver plus the engine has torque everywhere.

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Post by Joeprez » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

It's my friend's, that's the bike I rode 2 years ago that got me into motorcycles again: 2019 KTM SMC R.
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Joeprez wrote:It's my friend's, that's the bike I rode 2 years ago that got me into motorcycles again: 2019 KTM SMC R.
Excellent hooligan bike
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Post by Joeprez » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:48 pm

Its a hoot! Not difficult to convert mine to a Supermoto if I wanted too. 17” wheels and a brake caliper.

This is a 701 Supermoto:

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Joeprez wrote:Its a hoot! Not difficult to convert mine to a Supermoto if I wanted too. 17” wheels and a brake caliper.

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Wld need to mess with the forks n shocks tho
I think swingarm width also needs some tweaking?

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Post by Joeprez » Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:39 pm

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Joeprez wrote:Its a hoot! Not difficult to convert mine to a Supermoto if I wanted too. 17” wheels and a brake caliper.

This is a 701 Supermoto:

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Wld need to mess with the forks n shocks tho
I think swingarm width also needs some tweaking?

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After some research, I only need to add spacers and cut the plastics on the fork, assuming I want to get the exact wheel size of a Supermoto (17” wheels front and back). Some people have gone with a 19”/17” combo, which I think I will do.

For now I wheel keep the OEM wheels, but swapped the tires to Conti Trail Attack 3. Night and day difference on the road, which is where I ride.

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